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    Chaz

    Councillor Mathieu Fleury said that it is normal for municipalities to have rules around parking that aren’t posted on signs.

    That might be true. I can’t make the city do what is right but that doesn’t justify handing out parking tickets for an offence that is specifically omitted from the signage.

    How in the world could I possibly know about a city wide three-hour limit to street parking?

    Councillor, do you plan to create a border crossing as I (a non-Ottawan) enter your city and handing out a flyer with your city’s rules?

    Under the bus you go – again.

    skoal,
    Chaz

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    #751828 Reply

    Ken Gray
    Keymaster

    You’re a rebel, Chaz.

    cheers

    kgray

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    #751872 Reply

    sisco farraro

    Chaz. In this day and age if we don’t know something we are just expected to “go to the webpage”, the panacea for all life’s mysteries. I don’t know when you last visited the ottawa.ca webpage. I gave up because the search engine never found the information I was looking for even as I changed the search criteria again and again.

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    #751875 Reply

    Chaz

    Hey there Sisco,
    I have never gone to Ottawa city’s webpage, I haven’t even been to Ottawa in years. That’s why Mr. Fleury better hand out flyers at the city limits.
    You Ottawans are on your own – seems like you can’t rely on the signage or the website or your council.
    skoal,
    Chaz

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    #751972 Reply

    Ron Benn

    If you think the parking rules are difficult to figure out, good luck with the speed limits on streets where there is no sign.

    Even though amalgamation between the 11 municipalities took place almost two decades ago, the speed limits on unmarked residential street have never been conformed. All you need to know is where the boundaries were (stress the past tense) between the former cities. For the record, in the former cities of Nepean and Kanata, the speed limit is 40 kmh. In pre-amalgamation Ottawa, it is 50 kmh. You are on your own on Vanier, Rockcliffe, Gloucester, Cumberland, Stittsville, and …

    You are also on you own figuring out where the former boundaries are. So, good luck to visitors and those drivers who were too young to know the difference (a growing demographic).

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    #752016 Reply

    Chaz

    Ron,

    Well, now you have sealed your city’s fate when it comes to me trying to drive there.

    I won’t know the parking rules or the speed limits and I will find cyclists coming at me on my blind-side with only paint separating me from them. And, I’d never get out of the hotel parking if I had to cross bike paths.

    Guess I’d have to take the bus.
    skoal,
    Chaz

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    #752023 Reply

    Ken Gray
    Keymaster

    Chaz:

    Sage words from The Bulldog foreign correspondent.

    cheers

    kgray

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    #752034 Reply

    sisco farraro

    Speaking of signs and remembering back to when I first moved to Ottawa many decades ago, I was driving westward on Albert Street. I stopped at a red light. When the light changed I was facing a red light at the top of the light configuration and a green arrow pointing upwards at the very bottom?

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    #752092 Reply

    The Voter

    Chaz,
    We have to raise money for the City somehow. It’s not every year that you can count on a Christmas Miracle to save the budget. By preying on the ignorance of unsuspecting residents and visitors, we keep the cash pouring in to the extent that our bylaw enforcement department has been self-sustaining for pretty well as long as I can remember.
    Besides, where would be the fun in having a municipality that had consistent rules for everyone everywhere?? Whoever called Ottawa the town that fun forgot has never been in traffic court listening to people trying to understand why they’re there.
    Oh yes – you must come visit after a snowfall when the amount of snow determines whether you can park on the street. And it doesn’t matter that it didn’t snow on your street that much or you got twice as much – it’s measured at the airport which is far enough from parts of the city that we have different weather forecasts from Environment Canada.

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    #752170 Reply

    Chaz

    I love it. So, if a storm blows through and hits the airport hard but leaves only a flake or two on your street then you can get a ticket. Do they also send the plow to your street based on the airport snowfalls? If your street gets hit with 6″ and the airport gets a mere dusting – then I guess you can park without worry?
    skoal,
    Chaz

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    #752177 Reply

    Ron Benn

    Chaz, your analysis of the thought process that is city hall is pretty much bang on. Ease of administration always overrides operations. It is so much easier to make decisions that way. As for defending those decisions? Just following policy is the mantra.

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    #752183 Reply

    Ken Gray
    Keymaster

    Ron:

    I once made the mistake as an energetic young newspaper manager of asking a very good and experienced managing editor what our policy was in regard to a problem.

    He looked at me as though I had three heads. “Policies are for people who don’t think.”

    I never asked that question of the him again.

    cheers

    kgray

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    #752197 Reply

    Ron Benn

    Ken, my take on policy has been, for more than a few decades, comprised of two overriding concepts.

    First, they allow people to retain the authority to make a decision, but avoid the responsibility for the decision they make.

    Second, they create a situation where the organization can claim that everyone is treated equally, while virtually assuring themselves that no one is treated equitably.

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    #752193 Reply

    Chaz

    Ken,
    When I was a young whipper-snapper I worked for a Mega Corporation where there was a large book of policies on a shelf outside the controllet’s office and behind his secretary.

    No person was encouraged to look at it except to see if what we were about to do was so far outside of the written rules that gawd himself would descend down to rip you a new one. In other words, if you headed for that book everyone knew you were about to try something that was a bit outside the box.

    The secretary and I got to know each other well and the controller got a few extra grey hairs each time I scanned those pages but I went from junior to senior management pretty quickly.
    skoal,
    Chaz

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