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March 11, 2018 at 12:56 PM #746554
I am happy to disclose that I am a leftie. So that said, it’s disappointing to see just how ignorant political commentary can be, and I’m going to focus on the right here.
The Citizen has two stories about the debacle of yesterday; one by David Reevely, and a column by Randy Denley. Denley is pretty hard on Ford and on the party, and the commentariat are tossing around the ‘libtard’ epithet, and suggesting the Citizen is a Liberal rag, in one case that Premier Kathleen Wynne somehow sabotaged the leadership vote, and saying Denley’s column is just one example of the liberal ‘mind control and propaganda.’
This, on a columnist who ran twice as a PC candidate. Columnist Andrew Coyne is being slammed with similar abuse.
I am happy to criticize media, and for that matter, to call out my own faves when I think they’re off base. Why must it be that anyone who voices a criticism — even of a show as terrible as yesterday’s — is an evil-doer.
Back to ‘don’t read the comments’, I guess.March 11, 2018 at 3:26 PM #746565
Forgot to say that it’s often easier to ‘shoot the messenger’ than to engage the messenger and others in a debate of the issues.
It also means you don’t have to exert any effort in understanding the actual issue. If, on the surface, you disagree with the author or another commenter, you call them out as an idiot, a libtard or some other negative name which, you think, places you in a position of superiority.
Then you don’t need to engage in any discussion or debate on the actual issue which also means you don’t develop the thought processes that would help you solidify your arguments.
Does anyone know if debating is still taught in school?March 11, 2018 at 3:28 PM #746564
I see many of these comment sections becoming less about the item they are commenting on and more about ideological and personal insults. As the tone descends, fewer and fewer serious comments are made and the spiral continues its downward trajectory. Some sites have removed their comment sections and others restrict the things you can comment on. Most of us have other claims on our time and don’t want to sift through 50 comments to filter through to the five to 10 that are civil and on point. I suspect many people do as I do and only read the comment sections on certain sites but quit when the comments go off-track.
Not every site has the staff to filter comments or, quite frankly, cares to do so. The very thing that drives some people away from commenting is the spark that draws others in. Some sites appear to welcome the more controversial or negative postings.
We are lucky to have a solid, moderated site in The Bulldog where we can rely on Ken and our community of commenters to keep the quality up. This type of interaction may be the way of the future as we withdraw from the public sites but does have a downside in that it narrows what we’re exposed to. It’s not hard to see around us the effects of narrowing what one is exposed to.March 11, 2018 at 3:33 PM #746563
Hi Bob. Interesting that you declare yourself a leftie.
In my youth, the primary supporters of the NDP party (the left) were associated with unions, blue-collar unions in particular. As you are well aware, the number of blue-collar union workers in Ontario is in decline as their jobs move overseas to countries with work forces who will accept less pay, or have been mechanized.
The primary unions now are white collar, for example school teachers, government workers, etc, who, in the last provincial election, supported the Liberals. This subtle change, which has gone largely unnoticed, has slid the Liberal party, even at the federal level, to the left while the NDP has moved to middle ground. So, when you declare you are a leftie, are you saying you’re a Liberal supporter? Just wanted to clarify your comment, although personally I don’t care where you stand on the party spectrum. My primary concerns are with municipal politics.March 11, 2018 at 3:38 PM #746573
That is very high praise indeed from someone as talented as yourself.
As you can imagine, there are days after doing this for about six years on my own and two at the Citizen that I wonder why I continue this. Eight years is a long part of a life.
Then I hear the above from The Voter and I say: “That’s why”.
So thank you Voter in more ways than you know.
kgrayMarch 11, 2018 at 4:50 PM #746577
The VoterMarch 11, 2018 at 4:52 PM #746580March 11, 2018 at 9:42 PM #746598
I understand the point made by The Voter and as a frequent commenter, I find some of the articles are longish and strike many chords. For me, in these articles there’s usually one, perhaps two points that I wish to comment on and not entire pieces. If, in the future, you feel my comments need more finesse please let me know. I always appreciate constructive criticism.
As for pot shots, yes, I think a lot of contributors do take aim at Jim Watson, and for good reason, the city would be far better without him leading the charge.
And Ken Gray? He does an outstanding job of running the site. He’s one of the primary reasons I visit The Bulldog daily.March 11, 2018 at 9:43 PM #746600