Was The Toronto Take-Down Just Routine Police Work?

Home Forums Bulldog Forum: Ottawa, National And International Debate Was The Toronto Take-Down Just Routine Police Work?

This topic contains 8 replies, has 2 voices, and was last updated by Chaz 2 months, 3 weeks ago.

Viewing 9 posts - 1 through 9 (of 9 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #749539 Reply

    Ken Gray
    Keymaster

    The Voter thinks so.
    On Wednesday in a comment, The Voter says that our standards for police work have declined if we think the take down of the person charged in the death of 10 people this week in Toronto was excellent work.
    I disagree. Even if that were an unremarkable take down, putting myself in this situation, I don’t know if I could have held off shooting the suspect. The training and discipline in this instance, for me at least, was awe-inspiring.
    Those quick movements from his pocket might have made me shoot, but the officer didn’t.
    The police take a lot of criticism, some justified, some not.
    But I think the officer in question deserves praise, even if he were just following guidelines.
    What do you think?

    cheers

    kgray

    2+
    #749553 Reply

    The Voter

    Aah but I didn’t say that it wasn’t excellent work on the part of Officer Lam. Au contraire, my point was that this is what I see as good police work and what I expect our officers to do. What I said was:

    “It’s a sad commentary that when a police officer does what he’s supposed to do, we call it “amazing”. Have we really lost that much faith in the police and lowered our expectations so far that we anticipated the suspect would be cut down in a hail of bullets?
    Isn’t what Officer Lam did the way these things are meant to go? To Serve and Protect.”

    My comment was directed at the amazement expressed in many quarters that an officer didn’t go the route of blasting the suspect to kingdom come and at the shock that an arrest can be accomplished by an officer who has holstered his gun. One American “expert” actually claimed that Officer Lam had “a duty” to use lethal force as soon as he saw the suspect appeared to have some kind of supposed weapon in his hand. The expectation on the part of many people was that the police should shoot first and ask questions later rather than use their training to de-escalate the situation and send the suspect to jail instead of to the morgue.

    This is, of course, the polar opposite of what the police are there to do and the amazement should be focussed on those whose starting position is to go for lethal force without attempting other methods first. There are situations in which the police may have no choice such as when they have an active shooter who they can’t stop any other way but they must at least consider the alternatives before pulling the trigger. Officer Lam is a sterling example of police work gone right and should be held up as such. The quick-draw methods used in other situations should be the things that “amaze” us instead of the other way around. That, not the excellent work of Officer Lam, is what my comment was trying to question.

    4+
    #749556 Reply

    Ken Gray
    Keymaster

    Sorry Voter but I didn’t see your words as that at all.

    “It’s a sad commentary that when a police officer does what he’s supposed to do, we call it “amazing”. Have we really lost that much faith in the police and lowered our expectations so far that we anticipated the suspect would be cut down in a hail of bullets?
    Isn’t what Officer Lam did the way these things are meant to go? To Serve and Protect.”

    It is good though that you have the ability to change your mind. (meant in polite jest, Voter) Apparently I don’t.

    cheers

    kgray

    0
    #749551 Reply

    Kosmo

    My feeling on this is, the Officer made it look like routine police work.

    Having the training and discipline is part of his job discription but acting the way he did shows his true professionalism and is a true master of his trade. I applaud him for his bravery. He came face-to-face with a murderer and he won that battle.

    The easy way out would have been to shoot the suspect but that would not have helped the public’s view of police and more importantly having this scum bag alive will help with the investigation.

    Stand up a salute folks. We have a new hero in town.

    0
    #749558 Reply

    Ken Gray
    Keymaster

    Right on, Kosmo.

    One caveat: I don’t think the officer was thinking of the public image of the force when the suspect pulled something from his pocket.

    I would think the adrenaline was pumping pretty hard.

    cheers

    kgray

    0
    #749651 Reply

    Chaz

    I read the Voter’s words differently than you do Ken.
    What the officer did was great and brave but that is what I expect 100 per cent of the time.
    We shouldn’t expect less than stellar performance.
    I will give this officer a pat on the back for doing the job well and for keeping his cool. I would ask the others to follow this officer’s example all the time.The Voter’s comment was directed at people that saw the stellar performance as something not to be expected.
    skoal,
    Chaz

    4+
    #749691 Reply

    sisco farraro

    The word “amazing” has crept into our day-to-day discussions so frequently in the past few years that it has taken on a new, lesser meaning, eg. how amazing that the child’s father was able to take him into a public washroom and change his diaper. Officer Lam was trained along with many other young police officers when he joined the force. Perhaps he’s better at doing his job than the others, perhaps he remembered the bullet-proof jacket he was wearing would protect him from almost any shot the driver of the van could make. Don’t underestimate the work the police do. It’s dangerous and I for one would not like to be in their shoes. Officer Lam should be invited to speak to future police candidates about the situation in which he found himself and explain what was going through his head at light speed.

    1+
    #749718 Reply

    The Voter

    Thanks, Chaz.

    1+
    #749734 Reply

    Chaz

    My Mom and Dad taught me to say please,thank you and you’re welcome.
    To The Voter – You’re welcome.
    skoal,
    Chaz

    2+



Viewing 9 posts - 1 through 9 (of 9 total)
Reply To: Was The Toronto Take-Down Just Routine Police Work?
Your information:





<a href="" title="" rel="" target=""> <blockquote cite=""> <code> <pre> <em> <strong> <del datetime=""> <ul> <ol start=""> <li> <img src="" border="" alt="" height="" width="">