No Bilingual Ottawa: Bulldog Poll

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Well calling on English Ottawans to exert their better nature and be generous about civic bilingualism was a mistake.

Never has a debate occurred on this publication that had arguments rooted in the Pierre Trudeau years and some as late as when cavemen walked the earth.

But Bulldog readers have spoken and here is the result:

 

 


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17 thoughts on “No Bilingual Ottawa: Bulldog Poll

  1. Not a mistake. A learning experience for Ken. You now have a better understanding of.the situation.

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    1. Robert:

      Nobody really likes to be patronized. And my name is Ken not Bulldog.

      Frankly I can think of some names for you because of your lack of respect but I’m much more polite than you.

      You’ll remember that you accused me of censoring your comment the other day because you disagreed with me.

      You didn’t take into account that I was travelling that day so I couldn’t get at the comment.

      So be careful about jumping to conclusions when you are wrong, don’t be patronizing and call me by my proper name.

      That’s a sign of respect. You could learn some respect. It would be a learning experience for you.

      The name of the website is The Bulldog. My name is Ken Gray and I trust you will use that in the future because that is good manners and showing respect.

      By the way, how is my censoring going today?

      If you’re not about to show some respect, I would suggest starting your own website. You can do that at wordpress.org for free. I’d be happy to give you instructions.

      That way you could use your disrespectful words to an audience of 10 or 15 pageviews a week.

      There’s 75,000 pageviews a week here and there’s a reason for it. One of them is the civil discourse.

      Cheers

      kgray

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      1. Ken, I feel very sad to see your comment today. Too much emotion has been injected into what could have, should have been a rational discussion.

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        1. Robert:

          Don’t feel sad.

          I feel sad for my French Canadian friends who are being told that their language won’t be acknowledged at city hall in the same way as English.

          Now that’s sad.

          cheers

          kgray

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  2. First, somehow did not get to vote as the poll was closed when I got to my PC yesterday. By the wide margin, seems one vote would not have altered the result.
    Second, Robert roberts calls you Ken, not Bulldog, or have I also missed some posts?

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    1. Fed-Up:

      I have changed the word Bulldog to Ken repeatedly in the comments.

      Robert knows I think it is disrespectful but he continues to do it.

      I don’t mind being disagreed with at all. What I mind is being denigrated, patronized and accused of things I didn’t do.

      Those are the actions not of a commenter but of a bully.

      I don’t bully very well.

      cheers

      kgray

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      1. Ken,
        Thanks for clarifying — thought I had missed some posts and could not figure out why.

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  3. Wow, I am aghast, I am banging my head against the wall, I can not believe what I have read and now I am going to say it outright; this sure sounds like veiled prejudice is alive and walking the streets.

    Sorry, but I can read this no other way.

    If the comments of fear are indicative of what the rest of Canada thinks about bilingualism and, indeed, the Francophone issue then there will be more Quebec referendums to come.

    I will leave off with a slightly altered thought:

    Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by (the) fear (of punishment) and the other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent then the one derived from fear (of punishment). – Mahatma Gandhi

    Guess I ain’t yet lived long enough to see the end of fear tactics and the blossoming of respect.

    skoal,
    Chaz

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    1. Chaz:

      I’m surprised on this issue with the response.

      I thought this was a knowledge economy here in Ottawa.

      As you can see, Watson has bet on the right horse.

      cheers

      kgray

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      1. Ken,
        His lairdship pens declarations without reading them. His lairdship backs many an ill conceived idea. His lairdship has the backing of your city. Maybe the problem isn’t with his lairdship?

        Ms. Clinton was not a solution and she was her own worst enemy, in many ways, but she wasn’t a young earthier (Pence) or an illiterate boob (guess who). That being said, she was, perhaps, quite close to the truth when she coined the phrase about a basket of deplorables. I did not like the phrase but there is a basket of something.

        ( French – deplorer meaning to give up as hopeless )

        Let’s try not to give up.
        skoal,
        Chaz

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  4. I find it interesting that Chaz and Ken choose to categorize the opinion of the overwhelming majority as veiled prejudice rather than actually comment on the points that have been put forth. Then again in the age of cash-for-clicks “journalism” I suppose one benefits from being an obtuse contrarian.

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  5. I will be one of the few, maybe only one, who will step to the plate on this one and admit I voted no and my reasoning is a simple, ‘gut’ feeling.

    The minute I see a francophone, or ‘pur laine’, or Official Languages Commissioner for that matter, fight for English rights in Quebec I will happily fight for French language rights anywhere else. Yes it’s selfish, and no I’m not helping the debate. But that’s where I’m at with the French language issue and yes, I am bilingual. English rights in Quebec are non-existent (thank you Bill 101 and notwithstanding clause) … Respect is a two-way street and I don’t see any traffic coming the other way.

    Call me a knuckle dragging neanderthal if you want … I just disagree.

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    1. As a bilingual Canadian (& deliberately making no mention of which is my mother language), this topic seems to have no solution since both sides are deeply entrenched. Quebec and its lack of English language rights is one extreme and, outside the NCR, French is not a big issue.
      For Canada to become properly bilingual, then schools need to have ‘mandatory English and French language requirements’. With education being a provincial matter, what are the chances?
      BTW, laine is feminine so believe it should read ‘pure laine’:):)

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  6. And I might add I’m sorry if I offended you or others on the list in anyway. My intention was to have and participate in a discussion .

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    1. Robert Roberts,
      I am sorry that the debate about Ottawa, the Capital of Canada, involved insisting that store owners and small businesses would be forced to prove they are bilingual ? (I read that as a fear tactic) Talking about Vancouver and that morality can’t be legislated, seemed irrelevant to a discussion about officially recognizing bilingualism in the Capital of Canada.
      I am not offended, I am; however, somewhat horrified and greatly saddened.
      sincerely,
      Chaz

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